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说得好, 只要选他, 移民由他。[转帖]Re: Why are Tamil Tigers legal in Canada?

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛[转帖]Re: Why are Tamil Tigers legal in Canada?

Grits' failure to outlaw Tamil Tigers 'obscene'

Terrorist list: Ex-spy says T.O. MPs fear ban would cost them their seats

Posted by Al Gordon on 2005/03/14

OTTAWA - The federal government's latest argument for keeping the Tamil Tigers off its list of terrorist organizations is a "smokescreen" aimed at protecting political interests, say former officials with Canada's spy agency.

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam have been widely condemned for their use of child soldiers, assassination and suicide bombings in a long-running civil war against Sri Lanka's Sinhalese government.

At hearings before the Senate anti-terrorism committee over the past few weeks, two Cabinet ministers and the current director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service have said Canada is not flagging the group because it does not want to upset the "fragile" peace process overseas.

But former CSIS spy Michel Juneau-Katsuya calls that logic misleading, saying the Tigers have shown little proof they support a peaceful resolution beyond a recent, tenuous ceasefire.

He adds there is no excuse for being soft on a group that the majority of Western countries, including France, the U.K. and the United States agree is a terrorist entity -- and he questions the real motives behind Canada's tolerance.

"I think, unfortunately, what transpired much more out of this entire exercise is that for certain Liberal MPs, the Tamil community is the greater portion of their constituents, and therefore they don't want to lose their seat," he suggests.

Toronto's Tamil community stands at more than 150,000 people, representing the largest group outside of Sri Lanka and an important voting bloc come election time.

It is also a prime target for Tamil Tigers' fundraising, however, even though the group is banned from collecting money here. Members still manage to pocket about $2-million per year through criminal activities and front organizations.

"We know for a fact that the kind of activities [the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam] has been practising right here in Canada is definitely in support of terrorist activities in a multitude of ways," says Mr. Juneau-Katsuya, now a security and intelligence consultant in Ottawa.

He isn't alone in his criticism. The former director of strategic planning for CSIS, David Harris, says the government's policy puts the Canadian public and Tamil community at risk.

"You're talking, when you're talking affiliates of terrorist organizations, about people who are associates of violence," he says. "Allowing such people into our country has come at a great cost to many otherwise very moderate, well-meaning ethnic Tamils in this country."

He reacts with disdain to the claim that listing the group might disturb the peace process.

"I welcome that argument only to the extent that it demonstrates the continuing capacity for raucous good humour on the part of Cabinet officers," he says. "It's obscene and an insult."

The Tigers "are the granddaddies of suicide terrorism and anti-civilian terror operations," Mr. Harris adds. "There comes a time when we have to, in our own defence, call a spade a spade on this no matter how many votes may be at stake."

The debate over listing will likely resume today as the Senate committee continues its review of Canada's Anti-terrorism Act with two days of hearings involving security experts.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下茶话 / 政治经济 / 为什么新移民选自由党的多?1)倾向自由党的国家移民来容易;2)自由党执政前的好日子新移民没尝到,所以没比较;3)在加时间短,对媒体以来较高;4)新移民难找到乘心的工作;5)自由党会吓唬人;6)自由党的名字,徽章设计
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛注,本文仅讨论统计意义上的比率,不适用与个体:不是说所有新移民各个都选自由党;也不适用与反向推导-并非新移民选自由党都是因为本文所述之原因。

    1)大家都有体验,你和你认识的来自其他国家的新移民比比,谁的办理时间长?中国移民的案件审理时间是最长的几个国家之一。无怪有人责怪政府歧视。其实此种指摘并不准确。我就曾经了解到有纯种华夏子孙,从其他国家移民来加拿大,办理神速。细心人会发现案子的速度不是因你的人种而决定的,但是确实与来源国有关。大家都知道移民其实是有各个国家的配额的。而中国的配额与中国人口非常不成比例。进而移民不资源的调配进一步限制了中国移民的案件处理速度。为什么?政府不会给你一个正面答复。其实是因为先前来的中国移民太勤劳,找工作太快,就算找不到专业工作,也打累伯工。一旦打了工,就不食嗟来之食了,自然选票就分散了。而且由于慢慢找到专业工作的人越来越多,收入高了投自由党的票率就少了。鉴于前期移民“表现不好”新申请的案子自然要严格考察。
    说白了,如果哪个国家来的移民投自由党比例高,就会有更多资源,配额调陪给那个国家。不是说你一定是自由党支持者才能来,自由党不干这种容易被人抓住把柄的傻事。选举是看个数,放一些右派进来也不是太大问题。

    2)大家都说马丁是好财长,不错。但是他的杀手锏是cut cut cut。对于新移民,没有享受过过去的好日子,加拿大已经不错了,但是很多老家伙们,对于马丁的削减福利,怨言比新移民多。所以更准确的说,这个因素导致老家伙们反对自由党的比新移民多些。

    3)如果在这里时间长,许多情景亲眼建国,就不是太依赖媒体的报道。而因为来的时间短,大家又要忙着养家糊口,哪有时间去学习历史?媒体就成了主要了解政治的渠道。而自由党在马丁的带领下不仅善于打出大家爱听的口号,更甚者,马丁非常会利用和控制加拿大媒体。加拿大政府资助媒体是天经地义的。而保守党傻瓜说要削减政府对媒体的资助甚至说要取消CBC,NDP则支持媒体中的工会,对媒体的开支和媒体人的收入都不是太有力。所以呢?对!加拿大媒体,最倾向于自由党,NDP次之,最恨保守党(废话,你要端我的饭碗,我还说你好?)。说道保护媒体的“加拿大内容”。纯数无稽之谈。港台小不小?从比例上讲港台对大陆比加拿大对美国更小,港台媒体有没有因为大陆开放而死光?不仅没有,而且发了横财。以加拿大同种语言的优势,靠着美国这个大市场,加拿大媒体如果死掉,是笨死的,不是饿死的。恰恰是因为自由党政府的“保护”导致了“温室襁褓”的现象。越保护加拿大的媒体就越只会给自由党歌功颂德。为啥?为钱呀。
    不是说自由党下令所有媒体必须说我好话。而是自由党控制的钱当然流向亲自由党的媒体多。别跟我说要相信党相信政府。只要亲自由党,不赶活都有前拿(赞助丑闻)。那些为自由党歌功颂德的媒体不会白干。加拿大的媒体也是越来越聪明。比如多数情况下,自由党闹点丑闻,就说“政客都坏”;而保守党或着NDP闹点什么,就只说这个党怎么怎么样。于是其他的党要背自己的错,还要背自由党的黑锅。还有,National转播的第一次辩论,找4个全是直接或间接倾向自由党的“群众评论员”,于是“群众”的声音一致倾向自由党。怎么生活中就不是这个比例呢?
    基本上,看CBC多的新移民,倾向自由党的多很多。连我自己都是,刚来的时候,觉得要了解加拿大呀“加拿大广播公司”听上去象是正规渠道。结果我爱自由党爱了两年半,直到一个老移民跟我说CBCblah blah blah,才注意看,呀!真的,再了解了解政府历史,才发现我被蒙了个够。

    4)移民与工作。作为移民多数人都是被加拿大政府的热情好客吸引来得,以为有机会得以施展才华。来了以后发现好像不是呀。连加拿大统计局的数据都表明新移民的平均工资比老移民和本地人地很多。而媒体又天天说没有自由党就没有新移民,好像新移民只有靠自由党。本来平均收入地的群体,倾向自由党和NDP的就多,加上媒体一煽呼,NDP就没捞到太多好处。其实中国移民的平均自由党支持率并不高,因为中国人一般不喜欢让社会福利养着,天生我才必有用嘛。不是所有族裔都有这么高的不食嗟来之食的比率,所以总体来讲新移民支持自由党的比例还是比较高-你要我来,你要养着我?挺好。

    5)是的自由党比其他党都会吓唬人,说“如果你选了保守党就......”新移民比老家伙们更保守,“起码我见过自由党执政,我还活着”别真的被自由党说着了。由于其他党吓唬人的功夫不佳所以新移民想投自由党的多数都去投了;而想投其他党的被吓唬住了,干脆不去投。自由党对于投票率低最“无所谓”也是因为他们的策略,就是利用低投票率。而因为自由党的宣传能力和对媒体的控制能力,低投票率总是利于自由党,而新移民是受此影响最大的一个群体。

    6)别笑,真的不少人说自由党的党徽象国徽,投着放心。也有帖子说过,好多人是觉得“自由”是褒义词,“保守”是贬义词。当然,如3)所说,媒体也跟着宣传保守是贬义词。确实有不少人因此而“就是他吧”。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • "自由党执政前的好日子新移民没尝到,所以没比较" - 你不是新移民,看来你在自由党执政前就来加拿大了,请谈一下保守党执政时的感想.
    • 说得好, 只要选他, 移民由他。[转帖]Re: Why are Tamil Tigers legal in Canada?
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛[转帖]Re: Why are Tamil Tigers legal in Canada?

      Grits' failure to outlaw Tamil Tigers 'obscene'

      Terrorist list: Ex-spy says T.O. MPs fear ban would cost them their seats

      Posted by Al Gordon on 2005/03/14

      OTTAWA - The federal government's latest argument for keeping the Tamil Tigers off its list of terrorist organizations is a "smokescreen" aimed at protecting political interests, say former officials with Canada's spy agency.

      The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam have been widely condemned for their use of child soldiers, assassination and suicide bombings in a long-running civil war against Sri Lanka's Sinhalese government.

      At hearings before the Senate anti-terrorism committee over the past few weeks, two Cabinet ministers and the current director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service have said Canada is not flagging the group because it does not want to upset the "fragile" peace process overseas.

      But former CSIS spy Michel Juneau-Katsuya calls that logic misleading, saying the Tigers have shown little proof they support a peaceful resolution beyond a recent, tenuous ceasefire.

      He adds there is no excuse for being soft on a group that the majority of Western countries, including France, the U.K. and the United States agree is a terrorist entity -- and he questions the real motives behind Canada's tolerance.

      "I think, unfortunately, what transpired much more out of this entire exercise is that for certain Liberal MPs, the Tamil community is the greater portion of their constituents, and therefore they don't want to lose their seat," he suggests.

      Toronto's Tamil community stands at more than 150,000 people, representing the largest group outside of Sri Lanka and an important voting bloc come election time.

      It is also a prime target for Tamil Tigers' fundraising, however, even though the group is banned from collecting money here. Members still manage to pocket about $2-million per year through criminal activities and front organizations.

      "We know for a fact that the kind of activities [the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam] has been practising right here in Canada is definitely in support of terrorist activities in a multitude of ways," says Mr. Juneau-Katsuya, now a security and intelligence consultant in Ottawa.

      He isn't alone in his criticism. The former director of strategic planning for CSIS, David Harris, says the government's policy puts the Canadian public and Tamil community at risk.

      "You're talking, when you're talking affiliates of terrorist organizations, about people who are associates of violence," he says. "Allowing such people into our country has come at a great cost to many otherwise very moderate, well-meaning ethnic Tamils in this country."

      He reacts with disdain to the claim that listing the group might disturb the peace process.

      "I welcome that argument only to the extent that it demonstrates the continuing capacity for raucous good humour on the part of Cabinet officers," he says. "It's obscene and an insult."

      The Tigers "are the granddaddies of suicide terrorism and anti-civilian terror operations," Mr. Harris adds. "There comes a time when we have to, in our own defence, call a spade a spade on this no matter how many votes may be at stake."

      The debate over listing will likely resume today as the Senate committee continues its review of Canada's Anti-terrorism Act with two days of hearings involving security experts.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net