Since we always have thugs and cruel dictators ruling part of the world, many things can not possibly be resolved through diplomacy and bargaining. It's the same reason that you can not bargain and negotiate with criminals.

omega4(omega)

That's why we need police to maintain domestic order and need armies to maintain international order. As for the bad things the US did in the last 30 years, my question is that if the US did nothing in the last 30 years, would the world necessarily be a better place? Is there anyone else who could have stopped the Soviets, North Korea, Saddam, Iran, Al Queda? Can we enjoy the same freedom and prosperity we have today, or are still living under the shadow of communist dictatorship? You of course disagee with these, but I can assure you that if the US withdraw from the world affair and to care for only itself now, it could be one of the worst things that ever happen in our generation

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My comment SIr: The cold war is coming. Prepare for the worst. -nicetomeetyou(一针牛, 寒锋闪剑出鞘); 2008-9-5 (#4664385@0)

没有帕林，老麦这个糟老头肯定要输。不过要谈政策，即便奥８活腻了，也是无法将伊战停下来的。至于说什么新冷战，即便变成现实，也不是个人能阻挡的。但奥８这种风派精英绝对不是一个好的战时总统人选。 -321gold(老道); 2008-9-5 (#4664626@0)

What would you expect if John McCain is in power? -axe(Just A Joke); 2008-9-5 (#4664388@0)

US will start to exploit its offshore oil resource. Mid East will be in a mess even more. US government will continue borrow from the world. China will break itself from Russia. Finance will be in turmoil. Europe will seek its own stand for Russia' oil. -nicetomeetyou(一针牛, 寒锋闪剑出鞘); 2008-9-5 (#4664411@0)
Good news for military weapon company and oil company. more deficit and further recession. Another war in Iran, maybe russia. -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 (#4664427@0)

Russia is now the pre world war 2 Germany. It is very dangerous because it now uses its resources to threat Europ. Canda will be under its threat as well because it is the largest supply to the US, and start supply to Europe. -nicetomeetyou(一针牛, 寒锋闪剑出鞘); 2008-9-5 (#4664432@0)

The difference is germany faced off economic crisis before War 2. Russia has a growing economic. So I don't believe russia prefer a complete war with NATO. Cold War is a matched expression -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 (#4664535@0)

The cold war is not the one that US and Russia head to head with atomic power, that is impossible. The US will continue to weaken the Russians by whatever means, hoping this giant will finally get broken up. Oil price will drop for sure. -nicetomeetyou(一针牛, 寒锋闪剑出鞘); 2008-9-5 (#4664555@0)

of course, USA will continue weaken and isolate Russia. But russia has already fought back. Not only russia, but also china. It's a big game. whatever you expect, the competition is going on any way. -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 {87} (#4664577@0)
hundred years ago, it's british, now america, which one else? russia? China? or India?

The last one China wants to fight is the US. Just have a tour in any US malls and you know why, when the US economy catches cold, the Chinese economy gets pneumonia. -omega4(omega); 2008-9-5 {244} (#4664698@0)
The CCP is already facing legitimacy issue because it is never elected by the people, an economic crisis could cause serious social unrest and threaten the regime itself. That's why China is busy pumping money into the US financial market now.

This is much more complicated issue. China government chose a totally wrong way to stable domestic economic crisis. But I have to say the key of this whole world crisis is USA method of expenditure. -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 {116} (#4664747@0)
They have to save the money, they can not live relying on debts. the overflown USD is the core trouble in the world.

Even if there's a cold war, a world with US leadership is still way better than global anarchy where each country only fends for itself, -omega4(omega); 2008-9-5 {398} (#4664437@0)

bigger fish eating smaller fish, dozens of new countries have nuclear weapons, even use them and nobody cares to do anything. Remember if there's no US involvement in world affairs in the last 70 years, we are now either ruled by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union because no other country was able to fight them off.
A good war that defends our freedom and democracy is a war that worth fighting.

you know what. A mad is enough for this world. no one can survive if nuclear war happened. -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 (#4664451@0)

That's why I don't belive the cold war will turn into a hot one. But the West can not afford to appear weak in front of the Russians or they will become more belligent and aggresssive, increasing the risk of a hot war. -omega4(omega); 2008-9-5 {69} (#4664470@0)
Lessons from World War II must be learned. McCain gets the right idea

I don't agree with you. US caused too many trouble in this world in recent 30 years. They have to pay off those debts first. Anyway, conflict is not a good way to world affairs. You can not order others to obey your willness by force. -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 {286} (#4664509@0)
I still think USA is a great country in this world. But their politicians care much world affairs more than their own business. I don't think Obama is a good leader for USA, but at least he shows us something softer and reasonable. We need diplomat to bargain not only for spy purpose.

Since we always have thugs and cruel dictators ruling part of the world, many things can not possibly be resolved through diplomacy and bargaining. It's the same reason that you can not bargain and negotiate with criminals. -omega4(omega); 2008-9-5 {692} (#4664582@0)
That's why we need police to maintain domestic order and need armies to maintain international order. As for the bad things the US did in the last 30 years, my question is that if the US did nothing in the last 30 years, would the world necessarily be a better place? Is there anyone else who could have stopped the Soviets, North Korea, Saddam, Iran, Al Queda? Can we enjoy the same freedom and prosperity we have today, or are still living under the shadow of communist dictatorship? You of course disagee with these, but I can assure you that if the US withdraw from the world affair and to care for only itself now, it could be one of the worst things that ever happen in our generation

thugs and cruel dictators could not be eliminated by the way of USA. The way which USA government chose is a conflict way. it has caused so much hate around the world and of course the security problem within USA. -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 {260} (#4664645@0)
In the beginning of last century, USA was not as strong as now. they export their values by softer way. Most of people around the world like USA. But today american is waling along a wrong routine.
the final expense is failure of USA spirit - the free spirit.
I don't know what would happen without USA. They led the world for a long while. those samples you mentioned was partly caused by USA, some are generation of cold war with russia. -kingsw(Steven); 2008-9-5 {463} (#4664723@0)
I can not ignore the contribution from USA, and if the democracy don't want live with cruel dictators, you have to wish the dictators are weak enough to eliminate. Actually it's not. So you should smart to balance all affairs around the world. Your worry is correct, I can presume, some day the dark might cover the world because of failure of USA. The reality is cruel. it doesn't care justice or pure spirit. Who's your enmey and who created those enimies.

Taiwan started NUclear research last century. however, US stopped them. I appreciate what US did in this case. otherwise, i can not image what will happen if both Mainland and Taiwan have Nuclear power. -spruce(toastmaster); 2008-9-6 {87} (#4667700@0)
To be honest, i use to hate US for no reason. but i slowly and gradely changed my mind.
Do you think the first thing to do should be how to avoiding a cold war? It was US's aggressive foreign policy to make Russia strong and aggressive. -viv(viv); 2008-9-7 (#4671424@0)

I am hoping that DEM will re-focus on US internal matters and economy and would let the external world run by itself for a while -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-9-5 (#4664774@0)

The US has to be actively involved in world affair because of the nature of this country. The US dollar is used as the world's reserve currency, and US corporations generate most of their profits from overseas operations. -omega4(omega); 2008-9-5 {68} (#4664800@0)
Obama can not afford to withdraw from the world even if he wants to

As Bill put it., it is the power of example, not example of the power that made US the leader of the world. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-9-6 (#4667703@0)

That's one of the best words in Bill Clinton's speech. -viv(viv); 2008-9-7 (#4671415@0)
This is typical Liberal idealism. What a good example can do, stopping Hitler and Stalin? winning the cold war? stopping Iran from acquiring Nukes and use it on Israel? getting rid of Al-Queda? Improving human rights in China? -omega4(omega); 2008-9-8 (#4672351@0)

If you look at McCain's philosophy on foreign policy, it's really hard to tell the difference between his and Bush's. -viv(viv); 2008-9-7 (#4671413@0)

thats why I dont like GOP in general, though McCain used to be more in the middle -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-9-8 (#4672775@0)

@Saskatoon

Since we always have thugs and cruel dictators ruling part of the world, many things can not possibly be resolved through diplomacy and bargaining. It's the same reason that you can not bargain and negotiate with criminals.

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